tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post5235874677895179001..comments2024-01-30T12:46:10.810-05:00Comments on Yappa Ding Ding: Leadership in CanadaYappahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-13479675853816012022009-09-29T10:24:02.420-04:002009-09-29T10:24:02.420-04:00Hi Penlan,
Thanks very much for the support and c...Hi Penlan,<br /><br />Thanks very much for the support and confirming my suspicion... I had actually deleted the last two posts from CanSen because of their content (I'll only leave the last one because you replied to it), and will continue to do that with Conservative bloggers who are just here to dump crap. One guy, for example, pasted huge long bits of unrelated Con propaganda into several comments.<br /><br />It's a real pity that the Conservative party uses such undemocratic "dirty trick" tactics. Civilized people are trying to have a dialog, and Conservatives just want to shout them down. In this case, there seems to be a concerted strategy to infiltrate and mess with online discussions by other parties.<br /><br />It's funny how they keep claiming that they have the support of Canadians, when their tactics aren't about winning support, but about creating fear and confusion... winning at all costs.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-63001261167284247132009-09-29T08:43:43.146-04:002009-09-29T08:43:43.146-04:00Wasn't talking to you CanSense. No need to rep...Wasn't talking to you CanSense. No need to reply to a comment I made to Yappa.penlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830912393649649485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-35091868276038195042009-09-29T07:15:24.079-04:002009-09-29T07:15:24.079-04:00Penlan,
Do you like to make personal attacks?
Ya...Penlan,<br /><br />Do you like to make personal attacks?<br /><br />Yappa has a blog and we are debating the leadership pitfalls.<br /><br />If Yappa did not want traffic and posts he would only allow posts with approval.<br /><br />Yappa can delete and request blogger not return.<br /><br />Sadly your ideas of debate is to suggest it is futile to have any dialogue with persons who don't agree with your version of reality and name calling.<br /><br />Canadians deserve better.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-1451080888143543102009-09-29T02:14:14.098-04:002009-09-29T02:14:14.098-04:00Yappa,
I wouldn't bother responding to CanSens...Yappa,<br />I wouldn't bother responding to CanSense. This person is leaving negative & degrading comments all over Liblogs. They are, as you know, just a Con troll with their talking points & trying to cause division. Don't bother feeding this moron. There are other Con trolls doing the same thing everywhere. Ever since Ignatieff decided to no longer support Harper & goons these nuts have been coming out in full force denigrating anyone who does not agree with them. Typical Cons.<br /><br />Have really been enjoying your posts lately.penlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830912393649649485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-24114828114444146972009-09-28T20:42:10.985-04:002009-09-28T20:42:10.985-04:00CanadianSense -
I didn't even finish reading ...CanadianSense -<br /><br />I didn't even finish reading your last comment because you're being a jerk. There is no justification for attacking me personally. In any event you're just making a fool of yourself trying to pretend you're intellectually superior, as your comments are incoherent.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-71747143168258141602009-09-28T20:27:12.654-04:002009-09-28T20:27:12.654-04:00Only a small number of people think Harper, Trudea...Only a small number of people think Harper, Trudeau, Chretien did not run a tight ship.<br /><br />If you were a manager of people, departments you would understand this post.<br /><br />Iggy has only so much 'capital' or goodwill as a leader. He has been wasting it and destroying his brand with every mistake.<br /><br /><br />Chain of command (look it up)<br /><br />Either you trust your "pick" to make the difficult/right decisions or you recruited the wrong people and it points again back to you in your recruitment.<br /><br />Denis was the following the right vision and direction of Iggy or he was not. This matter should have been private an 24 hours. The End Run and public statements of other Liberals was a clear shot at Iggy.<br /><br />The same thing happened in the NFLD MP's.<br /><br />His authority is completely undermined and Coderre can become a Garth Turner in your ranks. Loose cannon with powder.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-61869158429535921022009-09-28T19:31:55.544-04:002009-09-28T19:31:55.544-04:00Hi CanadianSense -
There are different schools of...Hi CanadianSense -<br /><br />There are different schools of management. As we have seen over the last few years, the Harper SoM is all about the centralization of power. This sort of manager appoints weak sub-managers so he can he can always call the shots. That sort of management style leads to cabinet ministers leaving confidential NATO documents at their mafia-related-girlfriend's house and a dozen people dying of listerious. Pardon me if I don't hope my party emulates it.<br /><br />It seems that Conservatives would like to try to create a sense of discord in the Liberal party, but it's not there. There's a more general issue here, and that is the anti-democratic approach taken by the Harper Conservative party. It's been going on for a few years now. I previously wrote about it <a href="http://yappadingding.blogspot.com/2008/09/could-we-all-stop-letting-tories-screw.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Besides the dirty tricks pulled by Cons, there's Harper's goal of trying to bankrupt the Liberal party.<br /><br />There's no point arguing with you - you think all your dirty tricks are justified as long as you win the game - right?Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-15917211058191406262009-09-28T17:35:19.757-04:002009-09-28T17:35:19.757-04:00Yappa,
your post reflects your lack of management...Yappa,<br /><br />your post reflects your lack of management experience.<br /><br />As a Manager, you are responsible for your TEAM. You don't let a decision that challenges your authority go without punishment.<br /><br />Iggy had several MP's and Liberals openly challenge his authority.<br /><br />If you manager people and departments you would understand the serious mistake this was and the ramifications for his own leadership.<br /><br />Iggy has now Bob Rae, Cauchon, Coderre who openly challenged him publicly after he made a decision.<br /><br />Coderre did the responsible decision and resign after losing the confidence of his boss.<br /><br />Now the carrot or collar is off, what will stop Coderre from launching attacks against the masters outside QC charge?<br /><br />Intelligent Boss-simple version<br /><br />Picks good managers and gets out of the way.<br /><br />My boss picked me to do the heavy lifting and clean out the deadwood in our organization.<br /><br />If the deadwood go over my head and to make peace sides with the deadwood he refutes his wisdom in picking you and encourages deadwood to make end runs.<br /><br />Look up Tom Peters/Jack Welsh re management.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-32908826234507205592009-09-28T16:37:06.406-04:002009-09-28T16:37:06.406-04:00I don't know enough about Quebec politics to h...I don't know enough about Quebec politics to have much of an opinion, but my guess is that it's good that Coderre is out. He was a powerful person and Ignatieff gave him a chance, but he started acting badly and had to go. Sometimes these things just have to be done in public. Big deal.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-6063764913389154232009-09-28T16:15:32.570-04:002009-09-28T16:15:32.570-04:00Except for doing it in the public and forcing his ...Except for doing it in the public and forcing his QC to resign.<br /><br />Denis Coderre had to resign after the public flip flopping.<br /><br />This should have been down in private and 24 hours MAX.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-29950529466089427522009-09-28T15:29:07.615-04:002009-09-28T15:29:07.615-04:00Hi Bert,
To quote Adam Radwanski in the Globe: &q...Hi Bert,<br /><br />To quote Adam Radwanski in the <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/radwanski/addition-by-subtraction/article1304167/" rel="nofollow">Globe</a>: "it's a sign of just how facile our political culture has become that we interpret recognizing your mistakes, and correcting them, as a sign of weakness."<br /><br />This is not a power feud between Ignatieff and Rae, as AITGWN suggests. This is protection of party unity. <br /><br />And Ignatieff didn't parachute Couchon in: he allowed there to be a vote and Couchon won. Plus he found another riding for the female candidate.<br /><br />This decision was a big challenge for Ignatieff and he handled it brilliantly. On to the election!Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-62095434839318328992009-09-28T12:08:34.451-04:002009-09-28T12:08:34.451-04:00Yes this is the leadership the LPC seem to demand ...Yes this is the leadership the LPC seem to demand we want for PM.<br /><br />Dion was a better leader.<br /><br />Maybe they will ask Jean Chretien to return.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-65361463905933946142009-09-28T11:49:27.499-04:002009-09-28T11:49:27.499-04:00Yes, let's talk about leadership, something th...Yes, let's talk about leadership, something the LPC is sadly lacking. Frome "Angry In The Great White North":<br /><br />Martin Cauchon, a former Liberal justice minister, wanted back in politics, and insisted that he be allowed to run in the riding of Outremont, his old riding. Ignatieff's Quebec lieutenant had reserved the riding for businesswoman Nathalie Le Prohon, and had publicly announced that Cauchon would not be running in Outremont. Ignatieff publicly supported Coderre, for about a day. Coderre was humiliated by Ignatieff when Ignatieff caved into pressure from Cauchon and from rival Bob Rae. Ignatieff abruptly turned 180 degrees, tossed Le Prohon and Coderre aside, and gave Cauchon exactly what he had demanded from Michael Ignatieff.<br /><br />This is leadership?Berthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790958603845618922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-72542864446896303782009-09-27T08:14:22.035-04:002009-09-27T08:14:22.035-04:00Yappa
It is good to see you remove the Liberal in...Yappa<br /><br />It is good to see you remove the Liberal incomplete Report as a fact to well researched.<br /><br />How do you define 'well researched'?<br /><br />Kennedy has had 3-4 staff work on this so far, do you have the details and has a third party without political bias reviewed the incomplete report findings?<br /><br />The concept is 100%, to audit the efficiacy of the money spent.<br /><br />I suspect the auditor will find problems with several projects.<br /><br />Yappa here is another question if the Liberals who are using increase the Gas Tax and hand it over to the city, what checks and balances are in place?<br /><br />Did the Federal Government make a mistake by negotiating all three levels be involved?<br /><br /><br />You are in favour of the Federal gov't simply sending Billions without negotiating?<br /><br />Yappa being critical of the government inaction is fair, attacking the Government for not attending speeches on any subject because (Liberals, NDP, Bloc opposition) members are upset does not matter to the voters.<br /><br />Actions speak volumes. Canada has chided it G8 members for talking about promises.<br /><br />Canada is meeting it obligation in Aid to Africa and has increased it.<br /><br />Do some reseach about promises from summits and who is getting the job done.<br /><br />Take off the Liberal blinders and ask yourself if the average voter is connenting with the complaints and if those complaints are fair or logical.<br /><br />Shipments to remote reserves included body bags. It was a routine shipment, but aboriginal friendly to the Liberal Party, CBC staged a faux outrage demostration.<br /><br />Those communities have a much higher mortality rate for many reasons and delivery of supplies will be reduced during the winter. <br /><br />The Chalk River Facilit is another example of the oppositio playing games.<br /><br />Reseach the issue. Chalk River was to be shut down in 2000. Maple Reactors were to be online in 2000. Read the auditor general and third party assessments. The Liberals knew of the shortage and problems with Chalk River and NEVER did a Plan B for isotope supply. They spent millions trying to get Maples to work. (Liberal boondoggle)<br /><br />In 1991 Chalk River leaked 18,000 litres of water. <br /><br />Google the Chalk River facility history and the money trail.<br /><br />Did you know the isotopes we make are sold to the US market?<br /><br />If we are losing taxpayers money why are we funding private/public companies for industries that are not self sustaining?<br /><br />The automakers and isotopes?CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-46048484893618771472009-09-26T23:53:08.132-04:002009-09-26T23:53:08.132-04:00Re isolationist, I was thinking of Harper's ha...Re isolationist, I was thinking of Harper's half-assed cooperation on enacting a stimulus and his rude behavior at the UN climate change conference last week... not only did he skip Obama's talk to do his donut run, but he also reportedly skipped a lot of other meetings and left a very poor impression. He also hasn't appointed very good Ministers of Foreign Affairs, er - remember Maxime Bernier? But you're right that he hasn't done nothing internationally.<br /><br />Re the opposition only doing "silly attacks" - that report on stimulus spending that Iggles released this week was far from silly. It's very important, and the report is well-researched.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-67751154060116362022009-09-26T22:49:24.832-04:002009-09-26T22:49:24.832-04:00Yappa,
I don't see the George Bush or isolati...Yappa,<br /><br />I don't see the George Bush or isolationist look from Harper you seem to see. When he came to power he immediately oped the door to the US administration. The Liberal government had closed and bolted it. There was never any question in my mind that Harper would be just as friendly to the new US administration. The reasoning from the CPC wasn't partisan, it was that we need to get along with these guys. Too much was held up because of bad blood (e.g. joint work after 9/11, the border, the softwood lumber deal, the switch from Canada as best buddy to Britain as best buddy, and other items that could be named). Harper just wanted to start resolving those things. <br /><br />Harper has also opened doors with latin america re: free trade, and the same with several other countries. He has committed to NATO much more heavily and has continued the work Martin started with the G8/20. He has not been isolationist, but in fact has opened Canada up. He has also shown Israel that we are someone they can count on.<br /><br />None of this is isolationist. The visa issues with Czech Republic and Mexico HAD to be done and in fact both are working. Refugee claims are way down for both countries.Tommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-35687955450469161842009-09-26T22:43:07.954-04:002009-09-26T22:43:07.954-04:00Canadian Sense = Canadian Nonsense. Enough already...Canadian Sense = Canadian Nonsense. Enough already!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-72718844786276573512009-09-26T17:53:56.171-04:002009-09-26T17:53:56.171-04:00Criticism on policy is great! Silly attacks are tu...Criticism on policy is great! Silly attacks are turning off the voters.<br /><br />The Liberals need to provide an alternative and drop the W.K. smears.<br /><br /><br />Voters decide who governs through the ballot box and they will throw out the CPC when they are ready.<br /><br />Use the opposition day to introduce alternative policies for debates and votes.<br /><br />The opposition are chasing silly stuff and not doing their job and the press release sums up the focus of opposition talking points for months.<br /><br />GM bailout of $ 10.5 billion debate did not exist. The opposition are just rolling over to billions without any serious debate. They would rather chase unsexy comments.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-40863405293200469282009-09-26T17:15:54.555-04:002009-09-26T17:15:54.555-04:00Hi again, CanadianSense,
I dunno, I think we live...Hi again, CanadianSense,<br /><br />I dunno, I think we live on different wavelengths. I just don't get what you're saying. But I _think_ that your basic argument is that the Conservatives are ahead in the polls, which equals having the support of more Canadians, which means that any criticism of them is invalid. You may want to reevaluate that.<br /><br />Re the link to a Liberal press release that lists what the NDP has supported this week, I'm against that. In fact I wrote a post arguing just that earlier today.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-84695317874190822112009-09-26T16:50:05.758-04:002009-09-26T16:50:05.758-04:00http://www.liberal.ca/en/newsroom/media-releases/1...http://www.liberal.ca/en/newsroom/media-releases/16404_capitulayton-chronicles<br /><br />Official Press Release from the Liberal Party.<br /><br />I don't expect you to refute the earlier post. Those ramblings are just facts. Rewriting history is something I have seen from all parties.<br /><br />In September each party leader was invited to PMO residence to see if any support for CPC legislative agenda existed.<br /><br />Every leader in front of cameras said NO support.<br /><br />The GG upon those public statements and advice dissolved parliament.<br /><br />Only the opposition leaders, democracy watch, blogger feel that way anything was broken.<br /><br />The courts, elections results in October 2008, Polls 2009 indicate the opposite. (or don't care?)<br /><br />It is okay to favour your political party, but if you were to stick to facts vs liberal talking points, you would find we have some common ideas.<br /><br />Instead you choose to attack without reservation the government and use selective bits of information to paint a picture that does not exist in the minds of most Canadians.<br /><br />Can you link when the date "deficit" took place?CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-28626244667330151912009-09-26T15:40:55.304-04:002009-09-26T15:40:55.304-04:00Maybe it sums it all up but the link doesn't w...Maybe it sums it all up but the link doesn't work.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-43647149527134873902009-09-26T15:08:44.238-04:002009-09-26T15:08:44.238-04:00http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomme...http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/default.aspx<br /><br />This latest press release sums up the Liberal Party.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-8298048778974670742009-09-26T15:06:33.552-04:002009-09-26T15:06:33.552-04:00Hi CanadianSense,
I'm sorry - your reply is s...Hi CanadianSense,<br /><br />I'm sorry - your reply is so long and scattered that I won't be able to really respond to it. You think I claimed some sort of financial advantage for the Liberals? You think I claimed that polls don't matter? My points were quite rational and true so I don't know what I can add to them.<br /><br />But re your assertion that there was no difference on economic projections in the last election campaign: that's just wrong. We knew that Harper called the election early (in contravention of his own fixed-election law) because he was hiding a big deficit and wanted to have the election before it came out. We also said that we needed to nkow the real numbers before we could say what to do. You can't run a government that's non-transparent and deceptive and then complain that the opposition don't have the facts.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-22530092984201835172009-09-26T14:44:36.911-04:002009-09-26T14:44:36.911-04:00So in your world Polls are not facts but meaningle...So in your world Polls are not facts but meaningless?<br /><br />A Liberal MP produces an incomplete report and your refer to it as a fact?<br /><br />Those two points make most of the rest of your points mute.<br /><br />During the campaign in 2008 the unemployment was?<br /><br />Hint the rate dipped below 6% and reached a level unseen until 1974. (Sept 2008)<br /><br />The CPC launched small affordable campaign promises. On website still.<br /><br />The other parties introduced $ 30-50 Billion platforms.<br /><br />Every single party promised a balanced budget.<br /><br />So everyone is lying, no one predicted the depth/severity of the recession?<br /><br />The Liberal may have deleted their campaign 2008 and the spending promises. <br /><br />In November 2009 the opposition decided the CPC wait and see approach was sufficient to replace them.<br /><br />*The opposition ignored the Billions already planned for infrastructure passed in previous budgets.($ 33 Billion)<br /><br />The GG closed the HOC 1 week before XMAS holiday break.<br /><br />Iggy was not interested in participating in EAP and wanted the CPC to wear the recession.<br /><br />The recession has been short and deep. Fragile recovery is on the way. Employment is a lagging indicator.<br /><br />The Public did not blame the CPC for the Global Recession. Opposition did<br /><br />They demands Billions and stalled the plans in the senate. When did EAP get Royal Assent?<br /><br />Iggy stalled the $ 3 Billion stimulus until he was forced to fight a campaign again.<br /><br />In Sudbury Iggy demanded an election-Harper Time is UP!<br /><br />Liberal math? They do not have the power to call an election, they can only withold their confidence.<br /><br />The NDP and Bloc have stepped up to keep the CPC in power.<br /><br />The Polls reflect the decision of the Liberals latest stunt to threaten another election.<br /><br />The Liberal can issue daily press releases, set up faux protests with 5-10 people.<br /><br />They can continue to shake their fist in the air demanding changes.<br /><br />The Liberals have no power unless they find a majority of MP's to adopt their policy or motion.<br /><br />The other parties are not interested in September to play games.<br /><br />Those 10% from the Bloc and NDP pointing out Liberals are voting against EI benefits for long tenured employees, Home Reno Credit etc..<br /><br />Comparing 2008 vs 2009 6 month is too short term.<br /><br />The entire year will demostrate how many more Liberals are donating.<br /><br />In 2008 contributors measured in quarter from Elections Canada<br />17k high point vs 2009 19k highpoint for an increase peaked at 2,000 contributors so far.<br /><br /><br />So again you refer to some financial advantage.<br /><br />They are up $ 100k in the first 6 months vs all of 2008.<br /><br />The CPC broke over $ 20 million from small donations from 35k contributors.<br /><br />I still don't understand why you bring up financial strength comparison.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23053767.post-86413244141126162262009-09-26T13:44:55.073-04:002009-09-26T13:44:55.073-04:00Hi Tomm,
Stimulus doesn't work that way. Timi...Hi Tomm,<br /><br />Stimulus doesn't work that way. Timing is all important. What you're proposing is like a fireman saying, "I see your house is burning down and you're trapped inside; I'll come back next month and help you."<br /><br />Besides the negative consequences of applying stimulus too late, it throws away billions of dollars. In a recession, the deficit is going to rise because of reduced tax revenue and higher social payments: a stimulus package actually offsets that reduction in the deficit by keeping the economy going. When we're not in recession, stimulus spending is just jacking up the deficit.<br /><br />There is a disturbing trend I'm hearing these days from Conservatives that they WANT to be isolationist. The other day Bert said in a comment that he believes we should blow off Obama because he's a Democrat: and reiterated it even when I pointed out that Canada loses if we don't coordinate with the US.<br /><br />In the case of stimulus, Canadian Conservatives don't seem to get it but everyone else does: this is a multinational effort to improve the economy. That's why the IMF keeps urging countries to meet their stimulus targets, to spend their stimulus effectively (ie not on tax cuts) and to do it soon. The IMF is highly right wing, but apparently not right wing enough for Canadian Conservatives.<br /><br />So many things in Conservative strategy seem like a lame rip-off of George Bush, who also refused to cooperate internationally. Bush's strategy was disastrous for the world, leaving us in our current mess. But even more: the US can get away with that stuff to some extent because it's the most powerful country in the world. We're a pipsqueak by comparison.<br /><br />PS: I don't know where you get the claim that Liberals want a disproportionate amount of stimulus funding to go to Liberal ridings. That's absurd. As to your assertion that they better produce some proof: Read their report. I linked to it in my last comment.Yappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126433451905766475noreply@blogger.com